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As a quick selection, these are the titles of those in the years 1988-1990:</p> <p>"Selected isokinetic lifting parameters of adult male athletes utilizing lumbar/sacral supports"</p> <p>"Epistemology and the use of the .05 level of significance: a rebuttal to inductionism"</p> <p>"Effect of inosine supplementation on 3-mile treadmill run performance and VO2 peak"</p> <p>"Apparent monosomy 21 owing to a ring 21 chromosome: parental origin revealed by DNA analysis"</p> <p>No real need for all of those, but I thought it was interesting - also there were no hits for articles in 1994 either! </p> http://www.epapercentral.com/forums//has-everybody-got-it-wrong/#post-402 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:54:29 +0000 keysersoze 402@http://www.epapercentral.com/forums/ <blockquote><p><cite>hokusai <a href="http://www.epapercentral.com/forums/topic/has-everybody-got-it-wrong/#post-400">said</a>:</cite></p> <p>Fortunately, the Sunday Times for January 13th, 1994 confirms that --- unless someone else come along with a better/earlier claim -- it is in fact the case . . .</p> </blockquote> <p>Can you show a copy of your "claim"? And I assume you can show what the state of the art was at the time as is standard for patent filing etc to give definitive proof of invention. </p> http://www.epapercentral.com/forums//wheres-the-100-dollar-e-reader/#post-401 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:44:18 +0000 keysersoze 401@http://www.epapercentral.com/forums/ <p>The concept of using a solar cell array to power an e-reader is not a new concept unfortunately - it has been around some time if I recall some patents from a few years ago. If you look at current readers and demos from the variety of companies involved in it they are almost entirely reflective displays (liquivista apart). Then you look at them and we see what we always see - black and white has a similar contrast ratio to paper (the white is usually poorer though) and colour seems washed out and very.....pastel. What is the reason for this? Not enough light reflected. If you then overlay a device on top of that which is designed to absorb light to create a usable energy what will then happen to the already washed out colours. If you have the array around the edge of the ebook, this will increase the size and the screen will look proportionally smaller - sokmething the end user does not want to see. When you look at the readers out there and see how much power they require, it is staggeringly small so the solar array may not need to be too big, but the amount of recharging is so small that I don't think it really matters.</p> <p>The price will undoubtably come down, but you have to consider the amount of engineering which goes into making the ink. If you look at inkjet ink that is fantastically expensive and it takes quite a lot of work to make an ink-jettable formulation. E-Ink type concepts are exceptionally complex, then add the electronics required to drive it onto that and this is what increases the price - add solar cells to that (which are pretty expensive at the moment anyway, nevermind how inefficient they are) and you get a fantastically expensive peice of kit.</p> <p>Also, not to be too negative but I'm pretty sure that e-book concepts were around long before 1989 - show me a patent and prove me wrong potentially, but I don't think I am. On this site, e-paper is reported as being designed in the early 70's - I think they would have thought of e-books quite a while before 1989. </p> http://www.epapercentral.com/forums//has-everybody-got-it-wrong/#post-400 Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:08:24 +0000 hokusai 400@http://www.epapercentral.com/forums/ <p>Addendum: I suppose it's just possible that my claim to have invented the e-book may give rise to a certain scepticism.</p> <p>Fortunately, the Sunday Times for January 13th, 1994 confirms that --- unless someone else come along with a better/earlier claim -- it is in fact the case . . .</p> <p><a href="http://www.martin-woodhouse.co.uk/page104a.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.martin-woodhouse.co.uk/page104a.html</a></p> <p>I'll probably post here again with an Illumination book from the period as an attachment, if anyone is interested.</p> <p>Cheers,</p> <p>Martin Woodhouse </p> http://www.epapercentral.com/forums//has-everybody-got-it-wrong/#post-399 Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:37:04 +0000 hokusai 399@http://www.epapercentral.com/forums/ <p>It seems we're now at Stage 3 in the e-book game, if the stages are something like this:-</p> <p>Stage 1. Invention of the e-book (by Martin Woodhouse in 1988-1990. Received wisdom as that 'nobody will ever want to read from the screen so you're wasting your time.'</p> <p>Stage 2. 2007-2009: Various other inventive people contribute to e-book development, but nobody's really interested except on the 'oh. that's clever' level. Received wisdom is that ' well, maybe people will actually read from the screen, but not yet by a long chalk.'</p> <p>Stage 3. 2010-2011: Sudden reversal in received wisdom. 'Of course people will read books and magazines and newspapers off their screens, whoever doubted it for an instant?' Out here in the hard, hard world, a dozen or more candidates for The Book Reader Of The Future take to the field. Look, we're talking commercial, rather than laboratory hardware development here -- and the commercial world is, indeed, a hard, hard place.</p> <p>Stage 4. 2012 onwards Shirts are lost, some of them pricey. But yes, people are reading stuff of screens of one sort and another, as we can tell from the world of advertising, and everybody and his uncle saw this coming, of course; obviously, electronic publishing is rapidly becoming the largest single commercial field of endeavour in the entire digital age, who could ever have thought anything else?</p> <p>Out here, the battles being fought are now, largely: where is the reading material coming from and how is its creation going to be paid for? Who's going to get paid for authoring it and by whom, and from what revenue stream? (Probable answer, the way things seem to be going: from advertising, in the end . . .)</p> <p>Stage 5. . . . and onward and upward. Everything settles down and the market is carved up by a few major players, and so forth.</p> <p>-----------------------</p> <p>Now. The trouble is -- as we can already see, and foretell -- that several of the shirts lost will indeed be large in financial terms. Which of the e-paper technologies will prevail, and how much will be lost by the proprietors and backers of those which don't? </p> <p>Are we going to see the $100 reader? The $50 reader?</p> <p>And, over and above all this commercial jockeying:- Look, the coming of the e-book should be, exactly as Prof. Nicholas Negroponte saw, the source for the single largest philanthropic endeavour in, perhaps, the history of mankind. Children (and adults) in the poorest areas of the globe will have access to education. As Lao-Tzu put it:-</p> <p>"Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day.<br /> Teach a man how to fish, and you feed him for life."</p> <p>Well, now. One Laptop Per Child was a terrific idea, no doubt about it. But it has become bogged down in the mire of the same old competition for the nice little $200 Mk 1 lap-top and, quite apart from the errors made in marketing and distributing it, it was never going to reach the truly poor, the dwellers at the edges of the desert or the jungle or the slums -- simply because it needs batteries, which means (never mind the wind-up chargers) access to the socket on the wall, of which there are few in the jungle or the desert.</p> <p>I believe everyone is looking in the wrong direction, and some are going to pay heavily for doing so.</p> <p>The name of the game is not "a nice little $100 laptop with internet access, the ability to read the ubiquitous (and excellent for its own purpose) .pdf file, plus all the bells and whistles we can put into it, including video and interactivity and all that stuff."</p> <p>It is, in my view: "Just how few machine instruction-cycles can we possibly use when turning a page in a book? That is, in taking a couple of kilobytes out of static memory and putting them onto a screen in the form of an illustrated page, in colour?"</p> <p>And when it turns out that you can put sev eral hundred illustrated pages into a megabyte of memory and handle them with around 50Kb of book-reading software -- which is certainly the case -- the next question is:- "So, can we do this using solar power? No batteries? No wall sockets?"</p> <p>To which the answer is: Yes, we can. But we have to give up the streaming video and the internet connection and (let's just whisper it) Windows . . . We need a book reader. A $10 device upon which to read books. That's it.</p> <p>That is the way forward.</p> <p>Don't you think?</p> <p>Cheers,</p> <p>Martin Woodhouse </p> http://www.epapercentral.com/forums//wheres-the-100-dollar-e-reader/#post-398 Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:29:24 +0000 hokusai 398@http://www.epapercentral.com/forums/ <p>$100? Surely you jest? </p> <p>The name of the game is about to change, and radically. It isn't "a nice $100 machine capable of reading the ubiquitous .pdf file and with as many bells and whistles as we can add to it."</p> <p>It's "how few machine instructions can we use to take an illustrated page, preferably in colour, out of fixed memory and put it onto the screen, and what's the power required to do so?"</p> <p>Answers: (a) Very few and (b) milliwatts.</p> <p>Following on from which, it's: "can we do it using just a solar panel the same size as our screen, thereby liberating us from the electrical wall socket?" </p> <p>Answer: Yes, we can.</p> <p>-- and "How much will such a machine, which does nothing whatever but read books -- that is to say, an e-book reader -- cost the end user?"</p> <p>Answer, from where I'm sitting:- $20, max, by the time it's in mass production. We should be shooting for $10.</p> <p>(For that you don't get the internet, but never mind, that's actually an advantage in many places in the world.)</p> <p>Cheers,</p> <p>Martin Woodhouse (inventor of the e-book in 1989 or thereabouts . . .) </p> http://www.epapercentral.com/forums//wheres-the-100-dollar-e-reader/#post-371 Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:43:11 +0000 keysersoze 371@http://www.epapercentral.com/forums/ <p>Thanks - I'm just finishing a PhD in a semi-related subject, but from involvement on colloids for the last 9 years, I know a fair amount about electrophoretic movements and during literature searches I have come across a lot of E-Ink work, so I just sort of slowly became aware of the technology - although as patents take so long to get out, I will always be at least 2 years behind on what they're really doing!</p> <p>How about you? 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